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This is the debate that James White had with Jerry Matatics on Long Island in May 1997 discussing issues such as: What is the ultimate authority for the Christian? Is Rome right when she says that Scripture and Tradition as interpreted by an infallible Magisterium are the infallible rules of faith and practice of the Church? Or, was the Protestant Reformation correct in saying that the Bible alone is the sole infallible rule of faith and practice of the Church and that she must be subservient to its teachings?